Stanford Entrepreneurial Thought Leaders series – Jessica Mah

Aired 30-November-2011
Interview with inDinero‘s Co-Founder and Architect Jessica Mah. Jessica discusses business accelerators, Angel investors, common start-up mistakes and why she feels it’s not good to “Fake it until you make it.”

inDinero was founded by two people. Jessica said that having a co-founder was really important. Having a trusted person that can confirm or refute ideas is very useful. Thinking about what your company culture should be up front, it’s OK to have a fun working environment (she likened inDinero to more like a club), but it still needs to be run as a business. A party culture is not likely to succeed. One thing they do to maintain a cohesive workforce and to exchange ideas, is to get out of the office once per week and all have dinner together.

Jessica related that they got a great jump start on the company, but applying to and becoming part of Y-Combinator, which provides a small amount funding for start-ups. She had very high praise for Y-Combinator, and said she she sometimes wishes they were still in that environment. At the end of Y-Combinator they had the opportunity to pitch their company to a variety of potential investors, and as a result of that they raised over $1,000,000 in start-up funding.

inDinero decided to go strictly with Angel investors, and not Venture Capitalists. Going with the Angel investors had a number of advantages. Along with having more direct control over the organization, as opposed to going with VC’s, she felt they had a larger group of advisers with which to consult. That said, she also cautioned against raising money too early.

But even with million dollars plus in funding, things were still not easy. This added significant stress and pressure to perform. She wished that they had taken as much funding as they possible could up front. They had under-estimated the costs of mistakes, such as leasing a fancy office, or making bad hiring decisions.

One of the toughest lessons they learned, was that money goes fast. Keeping control of costs, despite what seemed to be ample funding, is critical to remaining both operational and emotionally strong. One costly mistake they made was the leasing of a nice fancy office. It presented a nice face for visiting clients, but internally Jessica said she felt more like a con artist, knowing the reality of their success. They have disposed of the fancy office (that included a hot tub), and are now operating out of an apartment. She felt that it made them feel more scrappy, as opposed to content.

Staffing the company also turned out to be more challenging than she anticipated. The practice of hiring on intelligence alone, turned out to be a mistake. Employees need to be rounded, able to work well with others, and also with customers. They found that the best way to get the A-Players that every start-up needs, is to give the a test drive first. It’s the fastest path to finding the gold. You only want to keep A-Players. Having under performers in a seat is far more costly than having that seat empty (this is painful lesson I’ve learned as well, and one I’m still trying to address). Bottom line, It’s better to leave that seat empty.

Being a technology company that delivers it’s product over the web, product design and testing is a critical part of remaining useful and relevant. Useability testing was the smartest thing they did. Usability testing has to be done IN PERSON. It’s the only way to do this (Steve Krug, a well known author on UI design covers this in his book Rocket Surgey Made Easy ). They met with dozens and dozens customers to find out what what the product really should be. It’s not unexpected that the product will need to adapt to the reality of customer desires. However, that does not mean that the product needs to change to meet every customers every need. For example, some features desired would have turned their product into a full blown accounting system, and they had to point out to those customers that they signed up with inDinero because they wanted something simple, not a big full-blown accounting system, and they were not planning to move in that direction.

Several lessons were learned along the way. Customers do not care about elegant or prefect code. The product evolution was iterative. One simply can’t figure out everything customers wanted up front, and simply pumping the product up with tons of features is not a good road map to success.

Long term product release planning was also a hindrance. They found that planning product released 3-6 months out was far too long. Customers couldn’t really wait that long for the features they needed, so they shifted to a 2-3 week product plan cycle. In contract to that less though was the imperative to NOT release too early! She said that start-ups must resist the urge of investors to release a product too early. Instead they bowed to the pressure and initially released the product too early, squandering a lot of useful PR with and immature product.

One tool they used to gain access to customers that would provide useful feedback on the product was placement of a “Would you recommend” link. That link asked them if they would recommend the product, if they felt the product had promise, or they simply didn’t like the product. Jessica focused on those that thought the product had promise, but would not recommend it. She found they to have the most useful feedback. Those that indicated that they simply didn’t like the product were customers that they really didn’t need their product anyway.

Finally, there were a few other important observations and tips.

  • Don’t get yourself hung up on vanity metrics, like followers, hits, etc. Stick to the metrics that matter like adoption and revenue.
  • College didn’t teach them how to build real world useful products.
  • A business plans seldom survive first contact with customers.
  • Recommenced book: 4 Steps to Epiphany

  • When you start hating your customers, you are OUT OF BUSINESS.

  • One thought on “Stanford Entrepreneurial Thought Leaders series – Jessica Mah”

    1. Their site is nicely simply laid out. Good point about focusing on revenues, and so many places get the expensive office space too early.

      There’s an app that will let you take pictures of your reciepts and log them into an expense report automatically. No more shoeboxes and BS.

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